I swear, the more I hear about race relations in, um, England/Ireland/Wales/Scotland/what-have-you, the less likely I am to ever ever go there. Well, I personally hope you do come here one day, sveets, so I can take you to First Out and buy you tea, but it really is a somewhat different discussion if you're not American and sometimes things need to be explained. Don't get me wrong, I think people who take the positions you've linked to are pretty fucking misguided, but when faced with an argument that is overwhelmingly US-centric in its points, language and history, misunderstanding is bound to occur. You're going to hate me for this, but I do not necessarily see Hispanic people on telly as non-white unless it is *marked*, unless it is a class thing. We're making an imaginative jump to a US-cultural view (which we all do all the time as we all watch US media), and that imaginative jump may not take us to the same place as a US viewer. If you are Hispanic here in Europe, you are probably from another European country, which is a different kettle of fish entirely, or else you are South American, which is yet another. 'Hispanic' simply doesn't translate except via US media. God forbid I defend racism and, if I ever do by accident, I hope and expect everyone who cares about me pulls me up sharp, but it's not a simple thing and I do understand why people go off on what seem like silly tangents about the nature of whiteness and nationality over here. As to the original issue about Teyla and Ronon and their roles in AU stories, that is simple and if I could marry ciderpress (damn her silly heterosexuality!), I would. She's said everything I want to on the subject. Except the part about being Asian, because I'm not and that would be a lie.
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Date: 2007-04-10 10:51 am (UTC)Well, I personally hope you do come here one day, sveets, so I can take you to First Out and buy you tea, but it really is a somewhat different discussion if you're not American and sometimes things need to be explained. Don't get me wrong, I think people who take the positions you've linked to are pretty fucking misguided, but when faced with an argument that is overwhelmingly US-centric in its points, language and history, misunderstanding is bound to occur. You're going to hate me for this, but I do not necessarily see Hispanic people on telly as non-white unless it is *marked*, unless it is a class thing. We're making an imaginative jump to a US-cultural view (which we all do all the time as we all watch US media), and that imaginative jump may not take us to the same place as a US viewer. If you are Hispanic here in Europe, you are probably from another European country, which is a different kettle of fish entirely, or else you are South American, which is yet another. 'Hispanic' simply doesn't translate except via US media.
God forbid I defend racism and, if I ever do by accident, I hope and expect everyone who cares about me pulls me up sharp, but it's not a simple thing and I do understand why people go off on what seem like silly tangents about the nature of whiteness and nationality over here. As to the original issue about Teyla and Ronon and their roles in AU stories, that is simple and if I could marry