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mimesere1. Spike thoughts.
2. Sparrington thoughts.
3. Norrington thoughts.
4. Mental casting
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1. Spike thoughts, briefly:
I've been wondering at the difference between AtS!Spike and BtVS!Spike for the past couple of episodes and what I've come up with is this: I think a lot of the change in character as it regards Spike has to do with the POV of both shows and how Buffy and Angel view him. like, it seems perfectly apparent to me that the reason AtS!Spike is irreverent and funny and (relatively) juvenile is because that's how Angel sees him. This is especially evident to me given the contrast with BtVS!Spike who, as has been complained by many, is very much like Angel v2.0. What I think is that Buffy is predisposed toward thinking of vampires as either irredeemably evil or tortured and angsty. Or, apparently, both of those things. But yes. Angel sees Spike as being young and cocky and whatever, and so that's the way Spike is portrayed. Buffy sees shades of Big Gothic Romance and shades of Angel, and Spike is all cross draping angst monkey.
Personally, I prefer young-n-cocky to angst-monkey, but that's 'cause I *like* that Spike was originally introduced to combat the Big Gothic Romance of the vampire/villain paradigm. I *loved* the Spike that called wee vampbaby "The Annoying One" and who called humanity a bunch of happy meals with legs.
Also, I truly think that the reason I could never get behind the Buffy/Spike is because I gave my heart to Joyce/Spike and there it shall stay.
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2. Sparrington thoughts
(mostly just things I really like from the movie)
a) During that last bit o' scene, Norrington *will not* look at the gallows. He looks down, he looks away, and the expression on his face the whole time is somewhat less than happy.
b) The amused smile in the dinghy when Jack is being all touchy-feely. I love that Norrington uses his pistol to push Jack's hand off his shoulder. I love it even more that Jack *puts his hand back* immediately. but mostly I love that ducked head and tiny smile. It makes my heart go all pitter pat.
c) The fact that Jack *is* touchy feely. And happily invades Norrington's personal space.
d) Cheersex. They do it in *spades*. The glance Jack gives him over Elizabeth's shoulder; the way they cannot take their eyes off each other, even with Elizabeth between them in her scantily clad and, uh, obviously cold glory.
e) The look of absolute relief on Norrington's face when Governor Swann gives him the lamest of outs as regards Mister Sparrow.
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3. Norrington thoughts.
(and also thoughts on Governor Swann)
a) It seems very obvious to me that Governor Swann and Commodore Norrington share a relationship of respect and understanding. Swann doesn't take it amiss when Norrington orders him to do something and, more importantly, I think Swann understands Norrington in a way that neither Will nor Elizabeth does. He knew enough to give Norrington an out re: chasing down Jack, and that whole acts of piracy speech makes me all happy with the good!daddy vibes. heh. Governor Swann reminds me of Arthur Weasley. Anyway. They both love Elizabeth deeply, enough to let her follow her heart even if it leads to a less than stellar match. That scene with Governor Swann outside the cabin trying to let his daughter know that he wants her to be happy, no matter what, always just makes me sniffly. Also, I think it's at least a little bit about protecting Norrington from Elizabeth's sense of obligation. 'cause like I said: respect and understanding.
b) I continue to be impressed that Groves has no problem being snarky in Norrington's presence. And I love that Norrington's response is to acknowledge his own mistake in underestimating Jack and to snark back (though in a kind of gritted teeth way).
c) Personally, I'm chalking up the promotion ceremony to Governor Swann wanting to throw a party.
d) Eight years to go from Lieutenant to Commodore (even if Commodore is not an official rank. Still. At least two ships under his command.)
e) He makes that uniform look *good*. Hell, he makes the wig look good.
f) Norrington is shy out of his element. And absolutely, endearingly confident within it.
g) Ruthless and competent. But also willing to be flexible if given a good enough reason. Honorable. Decent. A fine man. But seriously? The thing that I think I may love the most about Norrington is that he's not really willing to settle for less than he's worth. That whole deleted scene with Elizabeth aboard the Dauntless that the writers keep talking up is, to me, all about how Norrington knows what he deserves and it's not second best. He wants her to love him, not because it's some kind of conquest or whatever, but because *he* loves *her*. He wants to be on equal footing with her.
man, I love Norrington a whole lot.
*
4. Mental casting
Norrington's sassy!mama -- Dame Judi.
2. Sparrington thoughts.
3. Norrington thoughts.
4. Mental casting
*
1. Spike thoughts, briefly:
I've been wondering at the difference between AtS!Spike and BtVS!Spike for the past couple of episodes and what I've come up with is this: I think a lot of the change in character as it regards Spike has to do with the POV of both shows and how Buffy and Angel view him. like, it seems perfectly apparent to me that the reason AtS!Spike is irreverent and funny and (relatively) juvenile is because that's how Angel sees him. This is especially evident to me given the contrast with BtVS!Spike who, as has been complained by many, is very much like Angel v2.0. What I think is that Buffy is predisposed toward thinking of vampires as either irredeemably evil or tortured and angsty. Or, apparently, both of those things. But yes. Angel sees Spike as being young and cocky and whatever, and so that's the way Spike is portrayed. Buffy sees shades of Big Gothic Romance and shades of Angel, and Spike is all cross draping angst monkey.
Personally, I prefer young-n-cocky to angst-monkey, but that's 'cause I *like* that Spike was originally introduced to combat the Big Gothic Romance of the vampire/villain paradigm. I *loved* the Spike that called wee vampbaby "The Annoying One" and who called humanity a bunch of happy meals with legs.
Also, I truly think that the reason I could never get behind the Buffy/Spike is because I gave my heart to Joyce/Spike and there it shall stay.
*
2. Sparrington thoughts
(mostly just things I really like from the movie)
a) During that last bit o' scene, Norrington *will not* look at the gallows. He looks down, he looks away, and the expression on his face the whole time is somewhat less than happy.
b) The amused smile in the dinghy when Jack is being all touchy-feely. I love that Norrington uses his pistol to push Jack's hand off his shoulder. I love it even more that Jack *puts his hand back* immediately. but mostly I love that ducked head and tiny smile. It makes my heart go all pitter pat.
c) The fact that Jack *is* touchy feely. And happily invades Norrington's personal space.
d) Cheersex. They do it in *spades*. The glance Jack gives him over Elizabeth's shoulder; the way they cannot take their eyes off each other, even with Elizabeth between them in her scantily clad and, uh, obviously cold glory.
e) The look of absolute relief on Norrington's face when Governor Swann gives him the lamest of outs as regards Mister Sparrow.
*
3. Norrington thoughts.
(and also thoughts on Governor Swann)
a) It seems very obvious to me that Governor Swann and Commodore Norrington share a relationship of respect and understanding. Swann doesn't take it amiss when Norrington orders him to do something and, more importantly, I think Swann understands Norrington in a way that neither Will nor Elizabeth does. He knew enough to give Norrington an out re: chasing down Jack, and that whole acts of piracy speech makes me all happy with the good!daddy vibes. heh. Governor Swann reminds me of Arthur Weasley. Anyway. They both love Elizabeth deeply, enough to let her follow her heart even if it leads to a less than stellar match. That scene with Governor Swann outside the cabin trying to let his daughter know that he wants her to be happy, no matter what, always just makes me sniffly. Also, I think it's at least a little bit about protecting Norrington from Elizabeth's sense of obligation. 'cause like I said: respect and understanding.
b) I continue to be impressed that Groves has no problem being snarky in Norrington's presence. And I love that Norrington's response is to acknowledge his own mistake in underestimating Jack and to snark back (though in a kind of gritted teeth way).
c) Personally, I'm chalking up the promotion ceremony to Governor Swann wanting to throw a party.
d) Eight years to go from Lieutenant to Commodore (even if Commodore is not an official rank. Still. At least two ships under his command.)
e) He makes that uniform look *good*. Hell, he makes the wig look good.
f) Norrington is shy out of his element. And absolutely, endearingly confident within it.
g) Ruthless and competent. But also willing to be flexible if given a good enough reason. Honorable. Decent. A fine man. But seriously? The thing that I think I may love the most about Norrington is that he's not really willing to settle for less than he's worth. That whole deleted scene with Elizabeth aboard the Dauntless that the writers keep talking up is, to me, all about how Norrington knows what he deserves and it's not second best. He wants her to love him, not because it's some kind of conquest or whatever, but because *he* loves *her*. He wants to be on equal footing with her.
man, I love Norrington a whole lot.
*
4. Mental casting
Norrington's sassy!mama -- Dame Judi.
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Date: 2003-11-18 02:26 am (UTC)You've seen it already? How?
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Date: 2003-11-18 07:06 am (UTC)And bootlegging. It seems somehow appropriate.
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Date: 2003-11-18 07:29 am (UTC)Pirate!
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Date: 2003-11-18 02:11 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2003-11-18 07:42 am (UTC)*squeees quietly*
(oh lord, I want to see the deleted scene)
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Date: 2003-11-18 09:52 pm (UTC)